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Helena Głąbska, 30 Apr 2014 14:57
added few words about my experience with Traub model, to be continued ...
Known issues with Traub et al 2005.¶
This is a quite complex and detailed model and as discussed in the original paper
Any model, even of a small bit of cortex, is subject to difficulties and hazards: limited data, large numbers of parameters, criticisms that models with complexity comparable to the modeled system cannot be scientifically useful, the expense and slowness of the necessary computations, and serious uncertainties as to how a complex model can be compared with experiment and shown to be predictive.
The above difficulties and hazards are too real to be dismissed readily. In our opinion, the only way to proceed is through a state of denial that any of the difficulties need be fatal. The reader must then judge whether the results, preliminary as they must be, help our understanding.
Even the published Fortran version of this model was acknowledged to be incomplete. Each conversion of this model will deviate to a small or large extent from this version.
Questions about physiological properties of model¶
Dependence on Fast Regular Bursting cells for oscillatory behaviour
Prevalence of gap junctions
High current threshold for deep pyramidal firing
Not tested with external synaptic input
Limitations of the conversion of the model to NEURON¶
It is useful to read the notes on conversion of this model to NEURON from Fortran by Tom Morse and Michael Hines
Slightly different method of running the simulation (e.g. in Neuron information about spike is sent immediately, in Fortran every 0.1 ms )
Diffrent behaviour of NMDA synapse when thalamus is disconnected (some bug in Fortran version?)
In Fortran code:
z = 0.d0 ! thalamus disconnected gAMPA_TCR_to_suppyrRS = z * gAMPA_TCR_to_suppyrRS gNMDA_TCR_to_suppyrRS = z * gNMDA_TCR_to_suppyrRS gAMPA_TCR_to_suppyrFRB = z * gAMPA_TCR_to_suppyrFRB gNMDA_TCR_to_suppyrFRB = z * gNMDA_TCR_to_suppyrFRB ...
gNMDA_TCR_to_suppyrFRB becomes 0. Then when you compute NMDA activation
from TCR to suppyrFRB
.... ! NMDA part if (delta.le.5.d0) then gNMDA_suppyrFRB(k,L) = gNMDA_suppyrFRB(k,L) + & gNMDA_TCR_to_suppyrFRB * delta * 0.2d0 else dexparg = (delta - 5.d0)/tauNMDA_TCR_to_suppyrFRB if (dexparg.le.5.d0) then z = dexptablesmall (int(dexparg*1000.d0)) else if (dexparg.le.100.d0) then z = dexptablebig (int(dexparg*10.d0)) else z = 0.d0 endif gNMDA_suppyrFRB(k,L) = gNMDA_suppyrFRB(k,L) + & gNMDA_TCR_to_suppyrFRB * z endif c Test for NMDA saturation z = NMDA_saturation_fact * gNMDA_TCR_to_suppyrFRB if (gNMDA_suppyrFRB(k,L).gt.z) & gNMDA_suppyrFRB(k,L) = z ! end NMDA part ....
It seems that this piece of code, more precisely the last three lines:
c Test for NMDA saturation z = NMDA\_saturation\_fact \* gNMDA\_TCR\_to\_suppyrFRB if (gNMDA\_suppyrFRB(k,L).gt.z) & gNMDA\_suppyrFRB(k,L) = z
kills completely NMDA activation of suppyrFRB cells from all the other populations, not just TCR (except from nontuftRS cells, nontuftRS - suppyrFRB NMDA conductance is calculated after this block). In Neuron version there is no such behaviour.
An updated version of this model in NEURON is being worked on here. The version allows to modify easily the network, e.g. to add new population (version commited on 26 June 2013 and later), replace one template by another e.g. tuftIB Traub cell by Hay cell ( version commited on 04 July 2013 or later). The main groucho.hoc file is simpler and much shorter (about 10 times), parameters like AMPA, GABA, NMDA conductances, connections between populations are defined in separated files.
Limitations of the conversion of the model to MOOSE¶
TODO…
Limitations of the conversion of the model to NeuroML¶
Optimal spatial discretisation for each cell needs to be investigated
Important details of the process of conversion of the cell models to NeuroML, and matching cell behaviour across simulators is present in the 2010 NeuroML paper.
The spatial discretisation of the cells influenced precise spike timing. Changing the number of compartments/points used to calculate the membrane potential changed the timing of the cell (e.g. changing the value of nseg in NEURON on all sections). See below for an example of how 3 cells with differing numbers of compartments converged at different rates. A) Nucleus reticularis thalami (nRT) cell; B) Superficial Low Threshold spiking (LTS) cell; C) Layer 6 Non-tufted Regular Spiking pyramidal cell. Traces for NEURON (black) and MOOSE (green) and GENESIS (red).
NMDA conductance wave form
The NMDA synapse model used in the network has an unconventional form, with a scaling factor rising lineally between 0 and 5ms, and decaying exponentially. This can probably be approximated by a double exponential synapse (coupled with v & [Mg] dependent blocking mechanism).
Firing rate vs. injected current of cells
Many of the cells show unusual F/I curves.
Support in NeuroML
All model elements from the neuroConstruct generated network can be exported to valid NeuroML v1.8.1.
Model can be exported to (mostly valid) NeuroML 2, but there is not yet an application that can handle such detailed NML2 models (but we’re working on it).